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Subject: Systems Language - closed loops

Posted by Bob Gorman on 2/4/2010
In Reply To:Systems Language - closed loops Posted by Tim Joy on 2/4/2010

 

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Tim Joy asked:

Who among you has a strategy or two to help make "the closed-loop aspect clear"?

Tim,
At the risk of repeating myself, I've found one area relevant to 4th grade thru 12th grade students.
Bullies.
The topic is NOT abstract, but often very personal affecting walking or riding home from school...
The example I use, cleaned up for those in this group who projected entirely extraneous topics into it, is this:
Joe is a school bully.
Approaching him one afternoon is 2 other boys, Bill & Chuck. Joe knows (being a systemic thinker) that if he beats up Bill, Bill will leave defeated, deflated, perhaps crying, Joe will appear very powerful, and that is the end of the story...

But if he beats up Chuck, Chuck while also defeated, deflated and perhaps crying, will go home and tell his father what happened. Then Chuck's father will call Joe's father and Joe will catch Hell. A perfect close loop awareness.


Perhaps the real world issue behind the academic issue called 'closed-loop' is - unexpected consequences. Now I think an issue that would be ripe for discussing here is teen-pregnancy.
No, I don't have a real world case, but would ask others, do you have a potent example?

Bob


Follow Ups:

Systems Language - closed loops - Tim Joy 2/5/2010 
Systems Language - closed loops - Eric Stiens 2/4/2010 
Systems Language - closed loops - Niall Palfreyman 2/5/2010
Systems Language - closed loops - Tim Joy 2/6/2010
Systems Language - closed loops - Niall Palfreyman 2/7/2010
Systems Language - closed loops - Warren Farr 2/7/2010
Systems Language - closed loops - Richard Turnock 2/7/2010
Systems Language - closed loops - Kathy Arizmendi 2/6/2010
Systems Language - closed loops - Bob Gorman 2/5/2010
Systems Language - closed loops - Warren Farr 2/5/2010
Systems Language - closed loops - Michael Round 2/5/2010
Systems Language - closed loops - Tim Joy 2/6/2010
Systems Language - closed loops - Eric Stiens 2/5/2010
Systems Language - closed loops - Warren Farr 2/5/2010
Systems Language - closed loops - Kathy Arizmendi 2/5/2010
Systems Language - closed loops - Bob Gorman 2/5/2010
Systems Language - closed loops - Kathy Arizmendi 2/5/2010
Systems Language - closed loops - Lees N. Stuntz 2/6/2010



 

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